Sinopsis
Epicenter brings you in-depth conversations about the technical, economic and social implications of cryptocurrencies and blockchain technologies. Every week, we interview business leaders, engineers academics and entrepreneurs, and bring you a diverse spectrum of opinions and points of view. Epicenter is hosted by Sebastien Couture, Brian Fabian Crain, Meher Roy, Sunny Aggarwal, and Friederike Ernst. Since 214, episodes have been downloaded over 4 million times.
Episodios
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Ethereum Foundation: Humanity’s Shared World Computer - Hsiao-Wei Wang & Tomasz Stańczak
11/05/2025 Duración: 01h10minAs society evolves, so do its values and principles, but is that desirable for technology that seeks to build the most reliable, trustless and censorship resistant global settlement layer? Ever since the rise in popularity of Solana with its inflow of retail capital in a memecoin gold rush, Ethereum became even more criticized for sticking true to its core values despite the completely divergent demands of market participants. Moreover, the rollup centric scaling roadmap seemed to further silo attention and cause liquidity fragmentation, driving away value from Ethereum mainnet. As institutional demand is expected to grow with the introduction of staking ETFs, a new executive leadership took charge of Ethereum foundation to help steer the protocol’s narrative at the intersection between community demands and Ethereum’s ethos.Topics covered in this episode:Hsiao-Wei’s & Tomasz’ backgroundsHow they became co-executive directors of Ethereum FoundationEthereum Foundation’s role moving forwardDecision making i
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Taiko: Scaling Ethereum in a Decentralised Manner - Joaquin Mendes
07/05/2025 Duración: 01h08minTaiko is a decentralized, Ethereum-equivalent (type I) rollup scaling solution which uses ZK technology. Taiko's goal is to scale Ethereum efficiently while maintaining security and decentralization. Being a type I zkEVM, Taiko retains full Ethereum equivalence, which creates a seamless DevEx, although this comes at the expense of UX as slower proof generation is the main trade-off. Moreover, in order to stay true to its decentralised ethos, Taiko operates as a based rollup, meaning that transaction sequencing is performed by L1 validators.Topics covered in this episode:Joaquin’s backgroundLoopring and Taiko’s beginningsThe 4 types of zkEVMsTaiko's zk circuits vs. Polygon’sBased sequencingData availability and blob commitmentEthereum’s role in the futureThe L2 landscape and its compromisesSequencer security modelDealing with MEVBased preconfirmations & Taiko ecosystem UXEpisode links:Joaquin Mendes on XTaiko on XLoopring on XSponsors:Gnosis: Gnosis builds decentralized infrastructure for the Ethereum ecos
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Mysten Labs: How Sui Leverages Move to Build the Composable Web3nternet - Adeniyi Abiodun
29/04/2025 Duración: 01h03minFounded by former Meta Diem team members, Sui is a high-performance, layer-1 blockchain designed for horizontal scaling and low-latency transactions. It uses an object-centric data model and the Move programming language to enable transaction parallelization which can handle >200,000 txs/s. Sui’s goal is to combine the benefits of blockchains with Web2’s security & frictionless UX. From account abstraction & ZKLogin, to on-chain storage & data availability solutions like Walrus, Sui rebuilds the Google/AWS stack, fully on-chain and composable.Topics covered in this episode:Adeniyi’s background, from Libra to SuiSui’s long-term visionThe tech stack of Sui & its primitivesZKLogin & account abstractionObject-based approachTransaction processing & parallelizationDevEx on Move vs. EVM vs. SVMConsensus & scalabilityMEVGaming & SuiPlayDeFi on SuiWalrus data storageNautilusFuture roadmapEpisode links:Adeniyi Abiodun on XMysten Labs on XSui on XWalrus on XSponsors:Gnosis: Gnosis buil
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Maple Finance: On-Chain Institutional Yield & Lending Markets - Sidney Powell
25/04/2025 Duración: 54minWith an extensive experience in traditional money markets, Maple Finance was envisioned as an institutional capital marketplace which combines the transparency & capital efficiency of blockchains with the regulatory framework of TradFi. Unlike many DeFi protocols that require over-collateralized loans (e.g. Aave), Maple also specializes in under-collateralized lending, enabling greater capital efficiency for institutional borrowers. With over $6b in loans since its inception, Maple plans to further expand its offerings by including RWAs as collateral assets.Topics covered in this episode:Sid’s backgroundThe vision behind Maple FinanceMaple’s tech stackDeciding risk profilesOver-collateralized vs. under-collateralized loansAssets accepted as collateralDeploying to other blockchainsInstitutional appealManaging defaultsRWAConverging DeFi & TradFiBiggest challengesExciting upcoming trendsFuture roadmapCrypto correlation or decoupling?Episode links:Sid Powell on XMaple Finance on XSponsors:Gnosis: Gnosis b
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Tally: The Software Layer for Tokenized Organizations - Dennison Bertram
17/04/2025 Duración: 01h01minTally is a software platform designed to support tokenized organizations, particularly Decentralized Autonomous Organizations (DAOs) and crypto communities. It provides tools for launching tokens, governing protocols, and enabling staking to foster community participation and growth. Tally facilitates onchain governance, allowing transparent and decentralized decision-making for managing funds, grants, and protocol upgrades. It powers major blockchain ecosystems like Arbitrum, ZKsync, Uniswap DAO and Wormhole DAO by providing interfaces for proposal creation, voting, and staking. The Tally Protocol further enhances this by offering a liquidity layer for governance tokens, that allow token holders to earn staking rewards while retaining voting rights and participating in DeFi.Topics covered in this episode:Dennison’s backgroundHas crypto won?Does privacy still matter?The vision behind TallyThe evolution of DAOsAre grassroots DAOs viable?Corporate vs. DAO PMFHow developer activity & contributors evolvedTall
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ENS V2 Cross-Chain Domains & Namechain - Nick Johnson
09/04/2025 Duración: 48minNamechain is an L2 developed by ENS Labs, to enhance the scalability and efficiency of managing decentralized identities on Ethereum. It is designed to work in tandem with ENS V2, which introduced a hierarchical registry system for more efficient subdomain management and custom resolvers. A key vision for Namechain is to unify multi-chain user identities, creating a "digital identity chain" that simplifies how users interact with the broader blockchain ecosystem. This is achieved through features like L2-to-L2 bridging, which allows users to initiate ENS-related activities from various Ethereum Layer 2 networks, not just Namechain itself.Topics covered in this episode:High level overview of ENSCrosschain functionality through CCIP ReadDomain squattingOnboarding ENS users via Paypal and VenmoGoogle & GoDaddy integrationsENS V2 upgrade & NamechainTransferring tokens from Namechain to L1Sequencer security assumptionsScalabilityNew features & use casesENS roadmap & metricsEthereum ecosystem status
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Lido V3: Ushering in Institutional Staking Through stVaults - Hasu
01/04/2025 Duración: 01h19minEthereum’s transition from proof-of-work to proof-of-stake created a unique set of conditions (i.e. lack of protocol-level delegation, 32 ETH requirement, long exit queues, etc.) that led to Lido’s liquid staking model to gain huge traction, significantly eclipsing other LSD providers on native PoS chains. stETH added on-demand liquidity, bypassing withdrawal windows, while also increasing DeFi utilization and increasing yields. Moreover, by allowing users to stake any amount of ETH in pools, it removed the requirement for 32 ETH increments, ultimately improving decentralisation through long tail distribution of individual stakers. Lido V3 introduces modular stVaults which enable staking customization. This allows professional actors, such as institutional stakers, to have granular control over validators, MEV and other parameters, diversifying their investment strategies.Topics covered in this episode:Hasu’s backgroundDiscovering LidoLiquid staking and the early days of LidoWhy liquid staking gained traction
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Ronin: How Axie Infinity Kickstarted the Blockchain Gaming Revolution - Jeff Zirlin
27/03/2025 Duración: 54minWhile DeFi’s ultimate goal is to provide an alternative for TradFi, blockchain gaming caters to retail masses, onboarding millions of users to crypto through incentives and fun gameplay. The greatest success story in Web3 gaming thus far has been, without a doubt, Axie Infinity. Apart from creating an engaged community whose early adopters also experienced rags-to-riches stories, it kickstarted an entire movement around play-to-earn gaming. Many have tried copying it, yet most of them failed. Axie Infinity managed to design a sustainable economy that combined NFTs and fungible tokens. The result was the first gamified crypto mining event, at scale. In order to accommodate such a massive demand, in a time when L2 rollups were still in R&D, Sky Mavis founded Ronin, a gaming-oriented Ethereum sidechain. The community that formed around Axie Infinity created a tremendous network effect, solidifying Ronin’s PMF as a gaming powerhouse. Before long, many up-and-coming titles migrated to Ronin, and the growth eff
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Solana: From On-Chain Nasdaq to the Pump Fun Craze - Anatoly Yakovenko
15/03/2025 Duración: 01h18minSolana needs no introduction. Ever since its inception, it pushed throughput scaling on a single chain, without the need of sharding or rollups. Despite its ups and downs that culminated at the bottom of the bear market after the FTX crash, it managed to not only survive, but build a vibrant community around crypto's (arguably) most prominent PMF (thus far).Join us for a fascinating discussion and learn about Anatoly's take on controversial topics such as MEV, concurrent block leaders (the equivalent of Ethereum's PBS proposal), L2 rollups, Solana economics, how to tackle potential exploits and more.Topics covered in this episode:How the original Solana vision turned outWhat makes blockchains valuableMEV & program writable accountsConcurrent block proposersCurrent bottlenecks for scaling SolanaMainnet vs. L2 rollupsFiredancer upgradeHalting the network vs. rollbacksSolana’s scaling roadmapDoubleZeroWorst hacks on SolanaUI exploits, Bybit hack and smart contract securitySolana economics and the SIMD-0228 p
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Build on Bitcoin: Combining Bitcoin's Security With Ethereum's Versatility - Alexei Zamyatin
10/03/2025 Duración: 01h10minBitcoin’s security and reliability as a store of value are undeniable. However, its liquidity remained untapped for too long due to a lack of trustless bridges and native smart contract capabilities. As BTC is only native to Bitcoin’s L1, any attempt to include it in DeFi relies on the trust assumptions of third party custodians that wrap it. Build On Bitcoin (BOB) aims to expand Bitcoin’s functionality by integrating it with Ethereum’s smart contract capabilities. BOB operates as an OP Stack L2 with a hybrid design incorporating ZKPs, Bitcoin staking, and Ethereum for data availability. By functioning as a rollup, BOB processes transactions off-chain and batches them for settlement on Bitcoin and Ethereum, significantly improving transaction speed and reducing costs compared to Bitcoin’s base layer.Topics covered in this episode:Alexei’s backgroundSetbacks for Bitcoin DeFiBitcoin bridgesBitVMBOB operators and trust assumptionsBOB architecture & Bitcoin stakingBitcoin LSTsThe future of Bitcoin DeFiEpisode
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Puja Ohlhaver: Why Community Currencies Are Crucial for Governance in DeSoc
01/03/2025 Duración: 01h04minIn the digital networked age, people’s attention often overlooks local problems in favour of global ones, which don’t necessarily impact them in their daily lives, or over which they don’t have a say due to the skewed Pareto distribution of power in modern day societies. Puja Ohlhaver, in her recent research paper ‘Community currencies’, proposes a dual-currency model that prices attention and influence in each community, with the ultimate goal of creating a Gaussian distribution of power, either locally, or globally through the dynamic interaction of multiple local communities. This model allows community members to stake their currency to earn non-transferable governance rights, creating a substrate for decentralised societal coordination that favours social innovation.Topics covered in this episode:Puja’s backgroundWeb3 research‘Community currencies’Pareto vs. Gaussian distributionsGlobal vs. local power distributionsThe community currencies modelMeritocracy vs. influenceQuadratic fundingGovernance, briber
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Nevermined: Payment System for the AI Agentic Economy - Don Gossen
25/02/2025 Duración: 01h04minEven though current LLM providers usually charge flat rates regardless if the subscriber is a ‘power user’ or not, as AI agents become the workhorses of the online economy, a dynamic AI-to-AI payments infrastructure would prove crucial for proper remuneration. Nevermined proposes a blockchain-agnostic, AI-agnostic credit system, that each builder can use to implement custom pricing strategies for their users. As the next trillion transactions will be mostly performed by AI agents, a universal payment system would help streamline integrations and economic interactions.Topics covered in this episode:Don’s backgroundIntegrating payment systems in the agentic economyMarketplaces vs. payment systemsAI agentic economyFixed vs. variable pricing strategiesLicense tokenizationSettlement and payment for AI agentsEstimating price and avoiding overchargesNevermined’s tech stack and integrationsValue propNevermined metricsEpisode links:Don Gossen on XNevermined on XSponsors:Gnosis: Gnosis builds decentralized infrastructu
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Turtle Club: Helping Web3 Users Monetize Their On-Chain Activity - Esfandiar Lagevardi
17/02/2025 Duración: 01h09minAs more and more protocols compete for marketshare, user acquisition represents one of the most important elements of the GTM strategy. Web3 projects, through their governance tokens, can incentivise users directly to participate in meaningful activities for each protocol, subsidising their revenue generation through vested upside in the project. Turtle Club built the first distribution protocol of Web3, helping its users maximise their rewards they get for meaningful on-chain activities that help bootstrap projects.Topics covered in this episode:Esfandiar’s backgroundThe evolution of DeFiYield sustainability in DeFiDeFi vs. TradFiQuantifying riskMain blockers for DeFi adoptionOn-chain transparency or privacy?What is missing in DeFi?Genesis story of Turtle ClubHow Turtle Club users accrue rewardsEpisode links:Esfandiar Lagevardi on LinkedInTurtle Club on XSponsors:Gnosis: Gnosis builds decentralized infrastructure for the Ethereum ecosystem, since 2015. This year marks the launch of Gnosis Pay— the world's fi
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Story Protocol: Tokenizing Intelligence Into Programmable IP Assets - Jason Zhao
07/02/2025 Duración: 58minAs online content becomes predominantly AI-driven, intellectual property (IP) rights should not be neglected as (human) creators will heavily rely on them. While the main use cases for blockchains revolve around financial applications, one could argue that our everyday lives constantly intersect IPs in different forms. Although the legal framework is abundant, proper recording, monetization and disputes are often a burden for independent creators. Story Protocol aims to create a decentralised framework for IP management, tokenizing it both through NFTs and fungible tokens, allowing creators to register fully programmable IP, that is also recognized and enforced through the traditional judiciary system. Using smart contracts and programmable metadata, Story Protocol ensures proper monetization for creators whenever their IP is used.Topics covered in this episode:Jason’s backgroundCurrent IP pain pointsTokenizing IPStory Protocol blockchainPreventing IP infringementStory Protocol validatorsInteroperabilityOnboa
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Balancer: Custom AMMs and Liquidity Solutions - Fernando Martinelli
31/01/2025 Duración: 01h04minWhile AMMs (automated market makers) represent a DeFi innovation in themselves, research and experimentation have pushed the possibilities well beyond the limitations of the classic x*y=k constant product formula originally used by LPs. One of the main innovators in this field remains Balancer - from multi-token pools with different weights replicating TradFi indices, to dynamic ratios that can be changed under certain conditions preventing further imbalances, Balancer set in place user protection measures. With the recent release of Balancer V3, developers get more freedom to experiment with AMMs, introducing features such as hooks that enable limitless pool customisation, boosted pools that combine LP fees with yield farming from money markets, and many more.Topics covered in this episode:Balancer’s inceptionThe evolution of AMMsBalancer vs. other AMM competitorsFungible vs. non-fungible liquidityBalancer v3Boosted liquidity poolsDevEx and hooks in Balancer v3Preventing stablecoin depegsMEV mitigation &
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Kiln: Democratising Value Creation in Digital Assets - Laszlo Szabo
23/01/2025 Duración: 59minKiln operates as a staking-as-a-service platform, primarily focused on Ethereum, enabling users to stake assets programmatically, managing validators, rewards, and commissions through an API-first approach. In addition, it offers white-label solutions that allow institutional clients to integrate staking functionalities into their own offerings, with unified API for all assets and rewards, making it easier for businesses to provide staking services without developing the infrastructure themselves. With more than $13bn worth of assets secured, Kiln has proven its reliability, having no slashing events thus far. Moreover, Kiln widget offers a no-code experience for launching custom earn options, integrated with every major wallet and custodian.Topics covered in this episode:Laszlo’s backgroundFounding KilnEnterprise-grade validators and slashingDevOps & infrastructure maintenanceETH staking and custodyLiquid staking and restakingThe evolution of staking providers and requirementsDeFi yieldInstitutional inve
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Babylon: Self-Custodial Bitcoin Native Staking & Bitcoin-Secured Networks - David Tse
14/01/2025 Duración: 49minThroughout the years, there were many attempts of tapping into Bitcoin’s liquidity and security, but almost all of them came with different caveats. Most notably, wrapped BTC (wBTC) depended on the wrapper contract security. However, the recent surge in research and development for native solutions has led to breakthroughs previously thought impossible. Babylon launched native BTC staking and plans to further expand this to secure other blockchains, in a model similar to that of mesh security. This would not only help secure other networks, but it would also unlock liquidity from the mother chain through liquid staking derivatives.Topics covered in this episode:David’s backgroundThe evolution of BabylonThe Bitcoin RenaissanceTechnical challenges of implementing Bitcoin stakingThe OP_CAT upgradeBabylon’s Bitcoin staking & Bitcoin-secured networksBridging liquidity & LSTsSecuring multiple chains and slashingBabylon chain - aggregating Bitcoin-secured networksCould Bitcoin become a POS chain?Babylon upgr
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RedStone: The Oracle Pioneering the Future of DeFi - Marcin Kaźmierczak
08/01/2025 Duración: 01h04minThe DeFi landscape has significantly evolved since 2018 when Chainlink was launched. Recent developments such as L2 rollups, liquid staking, restaking and the rise of BTC DeFi have created huge demand for more customizable, modular oracles that would be able to provide accurate data for countless use cases, crosschain. RedStone set out to do exactly that and are now securing over $6.6 bn worth of assets (1000+ assets), across more than 60 chains, without a single mispricing event.Topics covered in this episode:Marcin’s backgroundEarly oracle landscapeRedStone’s technical architectureNetwork incentivesData aggregation moduleNode operator modulePush vs. Pull oraclesRedStone’s business modelThe role of RedStone tokenPyth vs. RedStoneRestakingOracle extractable valueSynergies between oracles and institutional investorsEpisode links:Marcin Kazmierczak on XRedStone on XSponsors:Gnosis: Gnosis builds decentralized infrastructure for the Ethereum ecosystem, since 2015. This year marks the launch of Gnosis Pay— the wo
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Privado ID & Quark ID: On-Chain ZK-Powered Unified ID - Diego Fernandez & Evin McMullen
01/01/2025 Duración: 01h06minTraditional KYC and AML regulations have often forced companies to comply, without having the right tools to do so. Simply storing users’ personal information led to the creation of security honeypots which haven’t gone unnoticed by hackers. Web3 solutions like Privado ID aim to cryptographically prove certain traits from a user’s personal data, without disclosing it to the enquirer. This is usually made possible through zero knowledge proofs which allow users to store their personal data on their own device and only exchange verifiable credentials with trusted issuers. City of Buenos Aires has adopted a similar implementation through their Quark ID system, a digital trust framework that creates a new digital identity system, giving people control over their information.Topics covered in this episode:Evin’s background and founding DiscoPolygon ID acquisition and blockchain agnostic decentralized IDsDiego’s background, from private to public practicePrivado ID and its registry of reputation issuersUse cases, D
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Abundance: The First 1 Gigagas/second Stack for Sovereign Rollups - Hilmar Orth
24/12/2024 Duración: 01h09minOne of the most limited blockchain resources is blockspace. From Bitcoin’s Blocksize Wars to Ethereum’s scaling roadmap, a common denominator seems to have emerged in the form of rollups. Advancements in zero knowledge proofs have enabled trustless bridges, which are a cornerstone to onboarding liquidity to any blockchain. Furthermore, Celestia’s modular approach to blockchain architecture and their recent commitment to gigabyte blocks of data availability marked the beginning of commoditization for rollups. Abundance is the first rollup-as-a-service platform that is able to scale to 1 gigagas/second throughput, finally bringing off-chain applications, on-chain.Topics covered in this episode:Gelato’s pivot to rollup-as-a-service platformSovereign rollupsEnshrined bridges and settlement proofsAbundance and 1 Gigagas/second rollupsModularitySecurity assumptionsSequencer (de)centralisationSocial consensusCelestia’s DA layer bandwidthEthereum native rollupsDecentralisation and censorship-resistanceEpisode links:H