First Words W/ Jc Bouchard

I didn't know Mla Chernoff existed until I heard them at a magazine launch in Toronto where they've lived their whole life. Despite early advice to be disciplined and NOUNS AND VERBS, Chernoff didn't have much faith as a writer. I don't know how to describe Chernoff now, or if I really want to, but they join me to talk about depressive apathy, romanticism, Frasier Crane, saying fuck off to the lyrical tradition, and laughs and gags.