Wallbuilders Live! With David Barton & Rick Green

Change doesn’t arrive with a hashtag; it arrives with a name on a ballot, a calm voice at a microphone, and a chair at the school board table. We sit down with Joe Messina—who spent twenty-four years in the trenches of a California district—to unpack how a lone dissenting vote became a durable majority that actually moves policy. From pulling back the curtain on graphic curriculum to establishing clear flag policies and defending parental notification, Joe shows how local courage scales when it’s anchored in law, civics, and community.You’ll hear how a trades education fight led him into public service, why he lost twice before winning, and what changed once he was inside the room. We dig into the practical: reading questionable passages aloud to force transparency, leaning on legal allies to set guardrails, and equipping students to assert their rights without picking unnecessary fights. Joe’s approach is simple and repeatable—fill the room with thoughtful supporters, speak to policy not people, and keep goi