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ohn & Jeff talk about aderall, presentation agendas, the mandelbrot set, new word - nokay, not mad just disappointed, making noise, weird things to say while leading worship, life opportunities as baseball pitches, keto diet, 80s synth pop, inspiration as an artist, nostalgia, forest fires & floods, types of drones (camera, killy & delivery), driverless cars, comedy as social commentary, red pill & blue pill people, breaking peoples’ loops/changing the conversation, Tirefall, find your Johnny Cash, the mysteries of God, introvert belly buttons, faith like a child