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Brent Simmons, Dave Wiskus, and John Gruber join Guy and Rene to talk about their new app, Vesper, the value of ideas and collecting them, the art of collaboration, flat design, accessibility, testing, app pricing, and more. Also: Mad Men. Show notes Vesper The Talk Show 42: No One has a Higher Horse Glassboard Brad Ellis at Çingleton Michael Jurewitz at Çingleton Guests Brent Simmons of inessential.com Dave Wiskus of Unprofessional and Better Elevation John Gruber of Daring Fireball Hosts Guy English of Kickingbear Rene Ritchie of iMore.com Feedback Yell at us via the Twitter accounts above (or the same names on ADN). Loudly.