The Testing Show

For today's show, Beth Marshall and Chris Kenst return to continue the ChatGPT conversation, and today's focus is on what effect, if any, Chat GPT may have on testing jobs. Is it a job killer as some fear, or is it yet another tool that will aid the smart and effective tester in being more effective?

Software testing covers a lot of areas. Perhaps one of the most important, yet often overlooked, is the quality of the data that is both part of testing and the actual business. To that end Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen welcome Naren Yalamanchilli, David Small, and Ken Wrem to talk about Datagaps, a company that is focused on making sure that Data Management and Data Analytics are in place so that companies can make sure that they have the best data possible to do business successfully. 

In the past several months, ChatGPT has been getting a lot of attention as a new cool tool that everyone is talking about. It can generate song lyrics on the fly. It can create code to solve problems and be compiled. Still, do we really understand what it is and what it can or can't do? To that end, Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen welcome Ted Ariaga, Chris Kenst, and Beth Marshall to talk about ChatGPT, especially as it interests the world of software testing, and explore areas where it is ready for prime time and where it is not, or at least, not yet.

Agile Testing and some would say Modern Testing is built around understanding the processes and quality practices necessary to deliver a quality product to customers. How do we know if the practices our company or organization is using actually deliver what we hope them to. To help answer that, Selena Delesie and Janet Gregory join Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen to talk about their new book "Assessing Agile Practices With the Quality Practices Assessment Model (QPAM)" and help determine if the practices an organization is using are effective and ultimately will help deliver quality products in the first place.

Many individuals on the team have a vested interest in what the tester provides and reports on. One such important team member is the product owner, who can wear many hats in an organization and represent many different perspectives. In this episode, Holly Bielawa joins Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen to talk about the world of the product owner, their involvement with the organization, and their view of the world and their interaction with QA and testing.

In this second part of a two-part series, Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen continue their conversation with Perze Ababa, Jon Bach, and Jen Crichlow to discuss the broader ideas of testing, specifically the areas of advocacy and addressing situations that are important to people who matter.

In this first of a two-part series, Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen welcome Perze Ababa, Jon Bach, and Jen Crichlow to discuss the broader ideas of testing, and to ask, "Are there areas of software testing that deserve greater attention?

When it comes to Software Testing, there is no guarantee that what a tester is doing today will resemble what they are doing five or ten years from now, or if they will still be involved in software testing. Many people come and go, while others make it a point to be "lifers" in the software testing industry. Still, even for the so-called lifers, there is a broad array of options and opportunities for career growth and development. Where to go and how to get there are the broader questions. Michael Larsen sits down and talks with Vernon Richards and Leandro Melendez at the Pacific Northwest Software Quality Conference (PNSQC). held in Portland, Oregon, USA in October, 2022. They discuss the challenges and opportunities available to software testers, as well as the responsibility of curating their own testing careers, both in the work they are doing now and the work they might want to do going forward.

For years, organizations have lured their time talent and resources into Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment efforts, with an additional goal to apply these principals to Continuous Testing. Still, often these efforts can one wasteful and take much more time than is necessary. Vijet Honnavar and Vikul Gupta join Matthew Heusser to discuss ideas of focusing on eliminating waste and taking a more “Intelligent” approach to testing and focusing efforts on needful and necessary areas and less on areas that have not changed or been affected by updates.

Software testing and program management share many of the same skills and what helps make a software tester effective can also be applied to the world of Program Management and how to be effective in that role. To that end, Jon Bach joins Matt Heusser to talk about his entry and involvement in the software testing world and his current involvement in the Program Management space, and how software testers can help and work effectively with Program Management. 

Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning have often taken on a near-mythical status in the software development pantheon as of late. Of course, ask ten people what AI and Machine Learning mean and you're likely to get at least twenty different answers. Understanding how and what to test surrounding it thus becomes daunting. To help demystify this topic, Jen Crichlow joins Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen to discuss developments in the AI and ML space and how to make sense of the myriad options and, more important, considerations around how to test these technologies.

Back in 2012, Matthew Heusser, Michael Larsen, and a number of other testers and test professionals came together to write a book devoted to the topic of "How to Reduce the Cost of Software Testing". To celebrate the ten year anniversary of that experience, Matt and Michael welcome fellow author Petteri Lyytinen to share their experiences writing the book and to see if, ten years later, we have made progress on our goal or if there is more that we can do in regard to the goals we set out a decade ago.

For many years, Computer Science was the only way, educationally speaking, to learn about methodologies related to programming software and building large scale applications.  Software Engineering grew out of the need to have a more streamlined methodology, and our guest Robert Sabourin of McGill University in Montreal, Quebec, Canada has been at the forefront of helping developing those Software Engineering courses as well as teaching them to up and coming software engineers.

Applications are moving rapidly from company datacenters to the Cloud. With these changes come new challenges with building applications and testing them effectively.  Sriram Sitaraman and Lamech Carnelian join Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen to talk about "Infrastructure Assurance" and ways to get the most out of the methodologies around putting applications into the cloud and making sure they work optimally once they are there.

This episode goes in some unusual but interesting directions. Lena Wiberg joins Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen to talk about Lana's book and card deck, "Would Heu-Risk It?" which is all about heuristics and ways of looking at problems in a different light. Also, Lena talks about her keynote at Agile Testing Day 2022 titled "Living Fearlessly - While Living With Fear"

In our ever-changing world of applications, processes, and systems, we spend a lot of time talking specifically about improving those applications and how they are built. However, how many of us have taken a step back and asked about the actual data that we deal with? The quality of our data has everything to do with the ability of applications to be successful and work in ways that actually matter. To that end, Naresh Nunna and Sendhil Selvanathan join Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen to discuss ways in which we can better assure overall data quality and perhaps introduce a DevOps for Data in conjunction with CI/CD pipeline modernization and analytics.

Once upon a time, and in many ways still, there was the sense that Cyber Security was the realm of elite professionals who were trained and experts in all things security related. They were special unicorns who far outstripped mere mortals. Of course, this is not true but it is a perception that persists. Today, Uri Bar-El joins Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen to talk about how and where Cyber Security is changing and how it is becoming less about the external nebulous threats (which still exist, of course) and more on the way that everyday testers and software developers need to hone their own cyber security skills and bring the issue of security into the development and testing process much earlier and with an eye towards total quality.

In celebration of June being Pride month, The Testing Show is doing a special program focusing on "Qualipride", which is the Employee Resource Group (ERG) for LGBTQ+ identifying employees and their allies. To discuss this, guest host Fiona Dawson joins James Barret, Audry, Maulana, Brandon McGuire, Chandra Nair, and Lacy Norris to discuss how Qualipride champions diversity and that diversity benefits Qualitest in its entirety.

In many cases Accessibility and Accessibility Testing are done as late in the game processes and done to make sure that a level of compliance is met for those who most need that accommodation. This misses out on the fact that many more people could benefit from having Accessibility features integrated into their products and that the benefits of accessibility go well beyond those who need last-mile technology the most. Subhash Chhetri and Karan Ahuja join Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen to discuss their philosophy of Accessibility For Everything, and how making every element and process accessible makes products and services better for everyone that uses them.

We spend a lot of time talking about the quality engineering of systems and processes. We spend considerably less time talking about the quality engineering related to ourselves and our everyday actions and reactions. To that end, Manoj Gupta, Qualitest MD of UK and Western Europe, joins Matthew Heusser and Michael Larsen, to talk about his book “New York to New You” and how we can apply the same rigor we do to our coding and testing efforts to build and improve the quality in ourselves.