So What Else Is Going On

Writer, podcaster, and resident Bible scholar, Erin Hicks Moon, joins us for a fun, honest, and thoughtful conversation about faith, doubt, and asking big questions. Erin is the author of the Substack newsletter The Swipe Up, where she tackles God, faith, and American Christianity. She's the Resident Bible Scholar on the Faith Adjacent podcast as well as the Senior Creative at The Popcast Media Group. We’re diving into her new book, I’ve Got Questions: The Spiritual Practice of Having It Out with God, and talking about: Deconstructing faith without losing it entirely Lament as a spiritual practice Jesus doesn’t just love us—He likes us The uncomfortable truth that we’re all wrong about something when it comes to faith If you grew up in evangelical Christianity and find yourself wrestling with questions, this episode is for you. It’s thoughtful, funny, and hopefully, maybe even a little healing. Erin’s Book → I’ve Got Questions Erin’s Website  Erin’s Podcast → Faith Adjacent   Follow Erin on Insta → @erinhmo

Emily is beyond pregnant. Walkie-talkies are being under-utilized. Baby Carpenter makes an “appearance.” Big Yellowstone discussion, so if you haven’t seen it…you’ve been warned. Does anyone else call butts, “coolies”? Follow up on the facial journey. Matt’s toe still hasn’t fully healed and still looks like a disaster. Scott finally sees an ENT for his 117-day cough (and takes it like a champ). Penelope (the dog) might just be the loudest snorer in history. Kaitlin has full-blown diarrhea of the mouth. Should we be saying photo poop instead of photo dump? Get 25% OFF Magic Mind Gummies https://www.magicmind.com/whatgm DISCOUNT CODE: WHAT25 Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

Justin and Trisha Davis, founders of RefineUs Ministries, are here for a powerful and honest conversation about rebuilding trust, breaking unhealthy cycles, and creating deeper connection in our most valued relationships. As authors, teachers, and coaches, their mission is to help people walk in truth and healing—and their personal story is a testament to that mission. In this episode, Justin and Trisha share their journey of reconciliation after infidelity, the impact of discovering identity-altering truths about their fathers, and Justin’s path to healing from childhood trauma. We also dive into the power of forgiveness, and why truth-telling—though difficult—is the key to true transformation. Plus, their brand-new book, One Choice Away from Change: Break the Cycles That Hurt Your Relationships and Hold You Back, releases TOMORROW, March 4th! They give us a preview of the life-changing principles inside. Justin and Trisha’s Website Get the Book: One Choice Away From Change Justin and Trisha’s Podcast: Let’s

If you've spent any amount of time listening to SWE, you've heard us talk about Scott and Kaitlin's nephew, Garrett DeClue–player in the Savanna Banana's baseball league and woodsman extraordinaire. Well, Garrett is here, and as they do, things spiral fast! Kaitlin celebrates her birthday with a very painful facial. Emily has a baby shower, and still hasn't changed her last name. We deep dive on skincare and how much self-care is too much self-care. Scott may or may not get his haircut at Walmart. Garrett introduces us to Mr. Pierce, a mysterious man who mows his lawn. And Emily is diabete free! Woo! Get 20% OFF Magic Mind one time purchase & 48% OFF with a subscription https://www.magicmind.com DISCOUNT CODE: WHATELSEPOD20 Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website  

Dina Deleasa Gonsar is an author, speaker, TV personality, and the creator of DishItGirl. You know her from Good Morning America, Fox News, E! News, Married to Jonas, or her podcast She Lives Fearless—but today, Dina Deleasa Gonsar is pulling up a chair to get real about life beyond the kitchen. We talk about her journey through postpartum depression, her battle with thyroid cancer, and how both experiences shaped her perspective on life and faith. We also dive into her new cookbook, At the Kitchen Sink: Recipes to Fill Your Table, Words to Fill Your Heart. It's so much more than a collection of comforting recipes—it's a journey of inspirational stories and encouragement, celebrating the joy of gathering, cooking, and finding meaning in everyday moments. Pre-Order At the Kitchen Sink now! Dina’s Website | DishItGirl She Lives Fearless Podcast Follow Dina on Insta → @dishitgirldina Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

It’s SWE’s birthday, and—shocker—we forgot…again. Emily takes a gestational diabetes test and promptly throws it up all over the parking lot. Matt and Emily are deeply immersed in Yellowstone, and everyone agrees Wicked was a hit.  Kaitlin’s life has been completely transformed by sleeping with earplugs. Emily consistently vetoes Scott’s décor ideas. Kaitlin values Emily’s opinion more than her husband’s.  Kaitlin and Scott can’t stop chatting up strangers, while Matt and Emily are perfecting the art of avoiding human interaction. And Emily now wants to adopt a dog with no eyes. So yeah, just another totally normal episode. Get 20% OFF Magic Mind one time purchase & 48% OFF with a subscription https://www.magicmind.com DISCOUNT CODE: WHATELSEPOD20 Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website  

This week, it's an honor to welcome a dear friend, Brook Outland Bryant. Brook works with Safe Families, an organization that seeks to keep kids safe and families together. We dive into her journey of blending a family through marriage, adopting two boys internationally and a son domestically, and, most poignantly, the birth and loss of her daughter Blakely. Born with Hypoplastic Left Heart Syndrome, Blakely spent almost a year in the hospital before she went home to be with the Lord. Brook's story is one of resilience and hope despite heartbreaking loss. Get 45% OFF Magic Mind https://www.magicmind.com/whatelsejan DISCOUNT CODE: WHATELSEJAN SWE Episode about Mississippi  Safe Families Brooke’s Facebook Follow Brookey on Insta → @brookeoutland  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

Kaitlin and Scott hold down the SWEpisode fort this week as a stomach bug invades the Elliott household. They chat about grown-up things like microwave covers and saving money, and Kaitlin meets with a spiritual director.  Get 45% OFF Magic Mind https://www.magicmind.com/whatelsejan DISCOUNT CODE: WHATELSEJAN Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

Emily Holthaus is the founder of Raising Little Millionaires, an organization dedicated to helping parents raise financially confident kids. We dive into practical tips like teaching kids about budgeting, navigating the tricky topic of allowances, and answering the age-old question: Should you gift your kid a car? Plus, we’re breaking down how to help kids figure out what really matters when it comes to money and how to instill a spirit of generosity from a young age. Raising Little Millionaires Website Raising Little Millionaires E-Book Follow RLM on Insta → @raisinglittlemillionaires  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

This week, the B-team takes over! Imposters, Caroline and Josh, crash this week’s SWEpisode in Emily and Matt’s absence and bring their own brand of chaos.  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

New year, same chaos. Welcome to 2025, SWEople! Kaitlin gets a new phone and promptly forgets how phones even work. “Chip it!”—don’t worry, that’ll make sense later. Meanwhile, Route 80 East literally falls into the earth, trapping us in Western Jersey. And what does one do when stuck in traffic and desperately needs to pee? Post-Christmas, we’ve officially declared the sibling gift exchange dumb and are finally switching it up. Plus, Kaitlin and Scott fight over Boxbollen. Emily and Matt get heated over window shades, and have the “luckiest” adventure of all time at CarMax. Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

This week, we’re thrilled to bring you Part 2 of our conversation with Donna-Jean Breckenridge. If you enjoyed Donna-Jean's story in Part 1, you won’t want to miss Part 2, where we dive deep into the world of homeschooling! Donna-Jean shares her passion for education, offering insight into common questions like: Can homeschooled children get enough social interaction? How can parents ensure their kids are learning everything they need? What are the unique benefits of the homeschooling lifestyle? We also explore the timeless philosophy of Charlotte Mason and how it shaped the curriculum Donna-Jean co-created: Ambleside Online, a free resource empowering families to provide a rich and meaningful education at home. Whether you’re a seasoned homeschooler, just curious, or somewhere in between, this episode is packed with inspiration and practical advice! Ambleside Online Six Voices, One Story: The Heart of Ambleside Online The Country of Ours Follow Donna-Jean on Insta → @djabreck Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.e

This week, we’re bringing you Part 1 of an incredible two-part conversation with Donna-Jean Breckenridge. Her story was so inspiring and rich with insight that we couldn’t fit it all into one episode! Donna-Jean is a mom, grandmother, widow, author, speaker, and co-founder of Ambleside Online—a free Charlotte Mason-based homeschool curriculum. In this episode, she opens up about her life, sharing her struggles with infertility, the joy and challenges of adoption, the profound grief of losing her husband, and the heartbreak of losing her son-in-law. Through it all, Donna-Jean’s resilience, faith, and wisdom shine as she reflects on finding hope in the midst of loss. Don’t forget to come back next week for Part 2, where she shares her passion for homeschooling and how Ambleside Online came to life! Six Voices, One Story: The Heart of Ambleside Online This Country of Ours Follow Donna-Jean on Insta → @djabreck Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

Scott manages to order a lifetime supply of Fabletics apparel. Kaitlin orders her own not-so-secret Santa gift from Matt and ships it to the wrong address. But shoutout to Theo from DSW for saving the day. Emily’s henna brows are failing. What’s up with all the Christmas skeletons on people’s lawns? Matt calls Emily passive-aggressive…yikes. Kaitlin thinks no-wheel drive is a thing. Eggnog…what the heck is it? Do SWEpisodes ever cause fights when we stop recording? Get 20% OFF Magic Mind https://www.magicmind.com/sowhatpod20 DISCOUNT CODE: SOWHATPOD20 Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

They’re back! The Chicola Sisters come in clutch this week to dish on life’s most pressing topics: Emily's brand new eyebrows, favorite childhood Christmas movies, and Caroline's complete lack of skill for baking sourdough bread. But it wouldn’t be a Sisters episode without some sibling spice—Caroline spills the tea on childhood trauma caused by Kaitlin. Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

Emily fainted. Scott gets the most ill anyone has ever been. (We’re so healthy.) Kaitlin gets a big pay day from selling her clothes. Why do some people put absolutely no effort into their Christmas lights? The Elliott family takes the leap into Christmas cards. Let’s bring back church directories!! MAGIC MIND BLACK FRIDAY SALE - GET 50% OFF! https://www.magicmind.com/sowhatpodbf Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

In this episode, I sit down with Brenda Yoder, licensed counselor, speaker, educator, and author of Uncomplicated: Simple Secrets for a Compelling Life. Brenda shares insights from her Mennonite upbringing, offering timeless lessons from Amish and Mennonite values, including resourcefulness, folk knowledge, and cultivating contentment. We also tackle some common parenting and personal challenges; how to decide the right number of activities for your kids, strategies to be less reactive in the moment; and tips for gaining control of your thoughts. This inspiring conversation is filled with practical wisdom for a simpler, more intentional life. Brenda’s Website Uncomplicated  Follow Brenda on Insta → @brendayoderspeaks Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

Jill Savage is a speaker and author of No More Perfect Marriages. In this episode, we sit down to have a heartfelt and honest conversation about relationships. Jill opens up about her and her husband's journey through infidelity and the hard work of rebuilding trust. We dive deep into the subtle "slow fades" that can erode relationships, how attachment styles impact our connections, and the dysfunction we all carry from childhood into our marriages. Jill shares practical advice for navigating conflict, healing broken trust, and strengthening your relationship. Whether you’re married, engaged, or simply interested in relationship dynamics, this episode is packed with wisdom, encouragement, and actionable insights. Jill’s Website No More Perfect Marriages No More Perfect Podcast Follow Jill on Insta → @jillsavage.author Follow SWE on insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website

It’s Election Week, so naturally, we don’t talk about it. Scotty has fallen ill so sadly SWE is reduced to three (Ts and Ps for Scott). Kaitlin gets a library card. Apparently libraries are still a thing. We check in on the sour bread dough journey and discuss Emily’s “pregnancy brain”… Emily has a few gaps. Matt and Emily are going to Disney, so Emily is deep in the trenches of packing for a pregnant vacation.  Get 20% OFF Magic Mind https://www.magicmind.com/sowhatpod20 DISCOUNT CODE: SOWHATPOD20 Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  So What Else Website

Lisa Steven is the author of A Place to Belong, a former teen mom and co-founder of Hope House Colorado, a sanctuary for teen mothers that empowers them to strive for personal and economic self-sufficiency and to understand their significance in God’s sight. Together, we dive deep into the realities of generational poverty, exploring the differences between middle-class and poverty mindsets. Our guest shares transformative stories of resilience and success from Hope House, offering insight into the challenges and triumphs of young mothers striving for a healthy future for their families. Hope House Lisa’s Book: A Place To Belong Our Water Bottle! Follow SWE on Insta → @so.what.else  Follow Kaitlin on Insta → @kaitlingraceelliott  SWE Website