Open Source Security Podcast

Josh and Kurt talk about open source projects proving builds, and things nobody wants to pay for in open source. It's easy to have unrealistic expectations for open source projects, but we have the open source capitalism demands. Show Notes Open Source Doesn't Require Providing Builds The things nobody wants to pay for Audacity privacy policy update has caused an outcry The History of X11

Josh and Kurt talk about an attack against PyTorch and NPM. The PyTorch attack shows the difficulty of trying to operate a large open source project. The NPM problem is one of the difficulty in trying to backdoor open source. A lot of people are watching and it only takes one person to notice a problem and we all benefit. Show Notes Peanut Butter the dog plays Gyromite The Wizard movie PyTorch supply chain attack npm Package Found Delivering Sophisticated RAT Deceptive Deprecation: The Truth About npm Deprecated Packages Changing a lightbulb Spelunking the Bitcoin Blockchain with Josh Bressers | CypherCon 4.0 Operation Triangulation - What You Get When Attack iPhones of Researchers 9th Annual State of the Software Supply Chain

Josh and Kurt talk about the 23andMe compromise and how they are blaming the users. It's obviously the the fault of the users, but there's still a lot of things to discuss on this one. Every company has to care about cybersecurity now, even if they don't want to. Show Notes Security leaders weigh in on 23andme hack Don't need a gun when you have a Donk - Crocodile Dundee 2 Hackers can infect network-connected wrenches to install ransomware My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined

Josh and Kurt talk about a grab bag of old technologies that defined the security industry. Technology like SELinux, SSH, Snort, ModSecurity and more all started with humble beginnings, and many of them created new security industries. Show Notes SELinux AppArmor SSH ModSecurity Snort Nmap Nessus What comes after open source

Josh and Kurt talk about package identifiers. We break this down in the context of an OpenSSF response to a CISA paper on software identifications. The identifiers that get all the air time are purl, CPE, SWID, and OmniBOR. This is a surprisingly complex problem space. It feels easy, but it's not. Show Notes OpenSSF CISA response purl CPE OmniBOR SWID

Josh and Kurt talk about how some hackers saved the day with a Polish train. We delve into a discussion about how we don't really own anything anymore if you look around. There's a great talk from the Blender Conference about this and how GPL makes a difference in the world of software ownership. It's sort of a dire conversation, but not all hope is lost. Show Notes Polish manufacturer accused of programming failures into its trains to gain more servicing business Polish Hackers Repaired Trains the Manufacturer Artificially Bricked. Now The Train Company Is Threatening Them Blender Conference Keynote Corey Doctorow Chicago has a problem until the year 2083 | Stand-up Maths Chicago Doesn’t Own Its Own Streets | Climate Town

Josh and Kurt talk about a story asking for a Kubernetes LTS. Should open source projects have LTS versions? What does LTS even mean? Why is maintaining software so hard? It's a lively discussion all about the past, present, and future of open source LTS. Show Notes Why Kubernetes needs an LTS Linux gives up on 6-year LTS kernels, says they’re too much work

It's the 2023 Christmas Spectacular! Josh and Kurt talk about what would happen if Santa starts using AI to judge which children are naughty and nice. There's some fun in this one, but it does get pretty real. While we tried to discuss Santa using AI, the reality is this sort of AI is coming for many of us. AI will be making decisions for all of us in the near future (if it isn't already). While less fun than we had hoped for, it's an important conversation. Show Notes Sea Elf Ollama UnitedHealth uses faulty AI to deny elderly patients medically necessary coverage, lawsuit claims Stephen Fry on AI Lawyer who cited cases concocted by AI asks judge to spare sanctions Hugging Face

Josh and Kurt talk about a few security stories about radio. The TETRA:BURST attack on police radios, spoofing GPS for airplanes near Iran, and Apple including cellular radios in the macbooks. The common thread between all these stories is looking at the return on investment for security. Sometimes good enough security is fine, sometimes it's not worth fixing certain security problems because the risk vs reward doesn't work out. Show Notes TETRA:BURST GPS spoofing attack Apple MacBooks cellular radio Mossad vs Not Mossad

Josh and Kurt talk about Capcom claiming modding a game is akin to cheating. The arguments used are fundamentally one of equity vs equality. Humans love to focus on equality instead of equity when we deal with most problems. This is especially true in the world of security. Rather than doing something that has a net positive, we ignore the details and focus on doing something that feels "right". Show Notes Why Capcom thinks PC game modding is akin to “cheating” Ben Heck

Josh and Kurt talk about the Canadian Government banning WeChat and Kaspersky. There's a lot of weird little details in this conversation. It fundamentally comes down to a conversation about risk. It's easy to spout nonsense about risk, but having an honest discussion about it is REALLY complicated. But the government plays by a very different set of rules. Show Notes Canada bans WeChat, Kaspersky applications on government devices Fitness tracking app Strava gives away location of secret US army bases Phishing emails increase over 1,200 percent since ChatGPT launch FedRAMP Rev 5 FAIR Institute

Josh and Kurt talk about the new EU eIDAS regulation. This is a bill that will force web browsers to add root certificates based on law instead of technical merits, which is how it's currently done. This is concerning for a number of reasons that we discuss on the show. This proposal is not a good idea. Show Notes Mozilla site Root CA mailing list UK eIDAS regulation EFF statement on eIDAS Fixed XKCD comic

Josh and Kurt talk about security skills shortage. We start out on the topic of cybersecurity skills and weave our way around a number of human related problems in this space. The world of tech has a lot of weird problems and there's not a lot of movement to fix many of them. Tech is weird and hard, and with the almost complete lack of regulation creates some of these challenges. In the world of security we need a better talent pipeline, but that takes actual efforts, not just complaining on the internet. Show Notes Schneier on security skill shortage British Airways flight smoke The Password Game Tesla accidents Lawn darts

Josh and Kurt talk about a proposed Dutch proposal that would allow the intelligence services to hack victims of adversaries they are in the process of infiltrating. The purpose of this discussion isn't to focus on the Dutch specifically, but rather to discuss the larger topic of government oversight. These are all very new concepts and nobody knows how things should work. Show Notes Dutch hacking proposal Give Me Toilet Paper! by Asuka424 in 9:54 - Summer Games Done Quick 2023 Flipper Zero Smart Meter Frequency Hopping Teri Kanfield

Josh and Kurt talk to Daniel Stenberg about curl. Daniel is the creator of curl, we chat with him about the security of curl. Daniel tells us how curl is kept secure, we learn about some of the historical reasons curl works the way it does. We hear the story about the curl CVE situation firsthand. We also touch on the importance of curating the community of a popular open source project. Show Notes Daniel's Mastodon account Curl The curl CVE blog Broken curl on PowerShell wolfSSL

Josh and Kurt talk about Sonatype's 9th Annual State of the Software Supply Chain. There's a ton of data in the report, but the thing we want to talk about is the statistic that only 11% of open source is actually being maintained. Do we think that's true? Does it really matter? Show Notes Sonatype report ecosyste.ms GNOME libcue flaw Reality 2.0 supply chain episode

Josh and Kurt talk about a curl and glibc bug. The bugs themselves aren't super interesting, but there are other conversations around the bugs that are interesting. Why don't we just rewrite everything in Rust? Why can't we just train developers to stop writing insecure code. How can AI solve this problem? It's a marvelous conversation that ends on the very basic idea: we already have the security the market demands. Unless we change that demand, security won't change. Show Notes Curl vulnerability glibc vulnerability Josh's Badge Project Bob Lord's phishing message

Josh and Kurt talk about contributor license agreements (CLAs). CLAs used to be seen as a necessary evil, but they're almost certainly bad now. We're seeing CLAs being abused, it's clear now anything controlled by a CLA won't be open source forever. Show Notes A Theory of Joint Authorship for Free and Open Source Software Projects Bruce Perens: What Comes After Open Source

Josh and Kurt talk about uncertainty. There are a bunch of stories in the news lately that really just boil down to uncertainty. Uncertainty is incredibly dangerous for everyone. We are afraid of uncertainty, and often don't really understand why it is. Trust is like a currency and uncertainty erodes trust faster than almost anything else. Show Notes Unity's license mess Godot Meta and Salesforce want to re-hire people they fired earlier this year U.S. Debt Credit Rating Downgraded, Only Second Time In Nation’s History

Josh and Kurt talk about filing bugs for software. There's the old saying that anyone can file bugs and submit patches for open source, but the reality is most people can't. Filing bugs for both closed and open source is nearly impossible in many instances. Even if you want to file a bug for an open source project, there are a lot of hoops before it's something that can be actionable. Show Notes Linux is a nightmare Lodash just declared issue bankruptcy and closed every issue and open PR Linux Kernel Faces Reduction in Long-Term Support Due to Maintenance Challenges Curl NULL pointer dereference