Let Us Reason - A Christian/muslim Dialogue

Al Fadi and Rob Christian discuss how a chain of people contributed to the Hafs Quran.  His full name is Hafs Ibn Suleiman Al Bazzaz.  He was known by Islamic sources by copying other people books and that he was a liar. Among the people that influenced his version are Zeid, Ubai Ibn Kaeb, Ibn Masoud and Asim (who was blind and had problem with memory).  Ibn Massoud was trusted the most by the prophet Mohammad, but his version was not chosen by Othman, and his version does not match today's Quran . See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Rob Christian discuss how a chain of people contributed to the Hafs Quran.  His full name is Hafs Ibn Suleiman Al Bazzaz.  He was known by Islamic sources by copying other people books and that he was a liar. Among the people that influenced his version are Zeid, Ubai Ibn Kaeb, Ibn Masoud and Asim (who was blind and had problem with memory).  Ibn Massoud was trusted the most by the prophet Mohammad, but his version was not chosen by Othman, and his version does not match today's Quran . See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Rob Christian and Al Fadi discuss the claim that Mohammad is a descendant of Ishmael. They use Muslim sources . First the Quran does not mention that Mohammad is related to Ishmael. According to a book called "History and Knowledge", vol1,pg 269  Al Abbas; Mohammad's uncle, said that Mohammad was a nobody to the Quraish tribe.  Another source is Life of the Prophet by Ibn Kathir vol 1, pg. 51; it says that there is a broken lineage between Adnan and Ishmael. Omar Ibn Al Khattab said that they only carry the lineage as far as Adnan.  So Muslims can not back up the claim. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Rob Christian and Al Fadi say that Muslims brag that it is a miracle that Mohammad was illiterate; ie that he doesn't read or write.  But another meaning to illiterate is the one who came to a people without a book(The Arabs).  Sahih Bukhari #2125 says that Mohammad was a guardian to the illiterate.  Mohammad was not a name but a title (the praised one).  Mohammad real name at birth and until he was forty years of age was Qutham ibn Abed Al Laat, according to the book of" The life of Mohammad " by Muhammad Hasan Haykel ,page 39.  This is according to Muslim sources.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi asks Rob Christian two questions: 1. Did Mohammad go to Jerusalem to visit Al-Aqsa Mosque?( Was the real Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem?) The answer is no: A. Historically the mosque was build in 691 AD and Mohammad died in 632 AD. B. There was a mosque  called Al Aqsa close to Mecca that Mohammad visited. Sahih Bukhari #2850.       2. Where did Mohammad learn to clean himself?  He copied the Jews and it became Sunna tradition. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi discusses with Rob Christian the five disturbing names of Allah: 1. The Arrogant. 2. The Distresser. 3.  The Humiliator.  4.The deceiver. 5. The Mischief maker.  They conclude that Allah is Satan in disguise.  Al and Rob also discuss another subject in the second half of the show about Mohammad being an idol worshiper who kept idols in his house despite Gabriel warning to him to get rid of idols. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi interviews Brother Zia from Pakistan.  Zia was a very devout Suni Muslim.  He had a disabled son who passed away and he was going to burry him in a Christian cemetery, and the imam told him that Allah is going to punish him at the end time. That made Zia mad and dive in both the Quran and then the Bible to find answers.  He found that  the Quran tells that Jesus did things only God can do. The sermon on the mount had a big effect on him especially love your enemies.  Nabeel Qurashi, David Wood and Sam Shamoun had a big impact on him.  He believed and got baptized and he is witnessing to others. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

According to the Quran sura 65:4, men are allowed to marry young girls before they reach the age of puppetry.  They also allowed to divorce them and they(ladies) have to wait three months before they can remarry.  Mohammad Hijab ,a famous Muslim apologist says that if Muslims take the Quran only in this matter, the Quran allows for severe type of Pedophilia.  The prophet Mohammad says to wait a little bit, 6 year old to 9 year old, because it is harmful.  So Muslims take Mohammad's council over Allah in the Quran.  According to the Quran Sura 9:31 .If you listen to anyone instead of Allah you are worshipping that person; ie, Muslims worship Mohammad.   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

As Al and David discussed last time that Aisha was 6 to 9 years old, based on Muslim sources, when she married Mohammad. In order to justify Mohammad's actions Muslims say that Mary was young too when she married Joseph.  There is no reliable source for the age of Mary, but in(Luke 1:42) the Bible says that she was a woman. And Quran chapter 3:42 says that Mary was a woman. The Bible also says that a twelve year old is still considered a child, little girl (Mark 5: 40-42). So Mary was older than 12 years old. So Mary was older than Aisha when she married Joseph.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Guest speaker David Wood discusses with Al Fadi the age of Aisha when the prophet Muhammad married her . According to Islamic sources( Sahih Bukhari 51;33,58,Sahih Muslim 33;11) Muhammad married Aisha when she was six years old and consummated  the marriage when she was nine years old. This topic is hotly debated and is  bothersome to Muslims even if they don't admit it, some deny it, and others don't want to apologize for it because it is true. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Dr Jay Smith continue their discussion about the many projects that Jay has been involved in including the location of Mecca, the Aramaic origins of the Quran, the Zam Zam well, and what happened  between the years 622-749 AD of Islamic history.  Al encourages his listeners to support both his and Jay's channels through Patrion.  Jay emphasizes that he only accepts support from Christians, and goes on to say he is a third generation faith missionary.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jay says that the pandemic increased the number of people watching his u-tube videos about Islam.  He goes on to say that the goal is to historically critique the man, the book, and the place ( Mohammad, the Quran and Mecca) .  Jay is involved with other French, British, and German scholars who studied the same subject before him to learn from their findings.  The object is to sift the SIN to take what is coming out from the other end ( the Bible) and throw away what is left behind.  The goal is to simplify it to the average person to bring Muslims to Christ. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi reflects on last year's accomplishments. Reaching a one hundred thousand subscribers is a great milestone.  He thanks everybody that is part of that including speakers and teachers from David wood, Jay Smith, brother Mel to Dan Gibson. Also all the moderators, tech people ,prayer worriers and financial supporters.  He talks about the Arabic videos ,the Arabic u-tube channels and the three Facebook pages.  He asks people to continue supporting the ministry through Patrion through the new year. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi continues his discussion with the Panelists: 1. Thomas is working on a book to summarize 20 years of research. He also says the Quran has not gone through a historical criticism . 2. Mel thinks that the most damaging findings of the SIN is the stations of Abraham being in Hijaz, It has no Biblical support.  3. Murad says the Bible is history, and if the Kaaba is in Mecca why haven't the Jews lay any claim to it? 4. Oden says that there is no evidence that the Quran is an Islamic text, rather it is a product of other books mainly the Torah.  5.  Paul says that the Quran was not supposed to be recited alone, but with other books(ie; OT, NT). 6.  Jay says that the Quran is a historical narrative of a 7th century environment of sectarian groups waiting for Jesus' return. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi continues his interviews with guest speakers about SIN.  He starts with 1. Thomas Alexander from Germany who studied the Aramaic origin of the Quran.  2. Mel, who studied the Greek influence on SIN.  3. Murad, who focuses on the Aramaic meaning of the Quran, especially the first sura , which he says that it does not focuses on oneness but on trinity.  4.  Jay, Focuses on the Aramaic and Syriac languages of the Quran.  5. Oden, covers the big picture of who is kalif Abdu Al- Malik and what was his role.  6. Paul, who focuses on the Jerusalem theory. He thinks that the Quran makes more sense if we think of its construction in Jerusalem.  He also is going to put his theory in an article and publish it.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi talks to Jay Smith, Oden, and Paul about the SIN.  Oden wrote a book in French called; The Great Secret of Islam.  It talks about the big picture when Islam emerged between the7-9 century.  Paul wrote the Jerusalem thesis.  He says that the Quran is very different book from what Muslims think.  For example when the Quran refers to Al Masjed al haram it really refers to the Jerusalem temple not al Ka'ba in Mecca as Muslim think. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi reflects on last year's accomplishments. Reaching a one hundred thousand subscribers is a great milestone.  He thanks everybody that is part of that including speakers and teachers from David wood, Jay Smith, brother Mel to Dan Gibson. Also all the moderators, tech people ,prayer worriers and financial supporters.  He talks about the Arabic videos ,the Arabic u-tube channels and the three Facebook pages.  He asks people to continue supporting the ministry through Patrion through the new year. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al and Mel continue to add more examples of the Standard Islamic Narrative that was fabricated to match stories from the Bible: 1. Mohammad's dad taking him to the Ka'ba to thank God for him; like Simeon in the Temple giving thanks to God for seeing baby Jesus.  2.  Mohammad's foster mother looking for babies to nurse riding on a donkey; like Mary the mother of Jesus riding on a donkey.  3. The rehash of the story of the transfiguration by saying that when Mohammad went to the temple he found Abraham, Moses and Jesus.  4. The rehash of the ascension; after Mohammad finished his business in Jerusalem, a ladder was brought to him until he reached heaven. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi and Mel point out the problems with the Cira (the biography) according to the Standard Islamic Narrative(SIN). First they point out that the Cira was written by two different authors between a hundred and two hundred years after the death of Mohammad.  Second they point out that the Cira borrows a lot from the Bible, both Old and New testaments; examples; A. Comparing Mohammad to Moses by saying that Mohammad did not enter Jerusalem like Moses never entered the promised land. B. Claiming that Mohammad is a descendant of Abraham through Ishmael. like Jesus was through Isaac.  C. Comparing Mohammad's Mom with Mary the mother of Jesus in Luke 1:43,by saying that a light was shining through her that lit in Syria. and the Cira says that tonight a star has risen; a child named Ahmed; like it is written  in Matthew 2 where the star stayed where the child(Jesus) was. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Al Fadi says that he is starting a new series on why the standard Islamic narrative is sketchy.  Today he is discussing with brother Mel some of the reasons.  1. The idea that Mohammad was born in the year of the elephant.  2. Mohammad banning the worship of images and idols.  3. The location of Al Masjed Al Haram.  4. Praying at the tombs of Mohammad and others.  5. The idea that Islam is the fastest growing religion. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.